It was obvious before I even found a parking space that someone had gotten the word out and I soon found out who that was-- Rick Roberts, local AM hate radio wing-nut.
Or it might have been stump-speech-on-a-stick himself. I dunno.
Waiting in line the way in I heard the lady behind me say to her friend "So how did you hear about this?" Her friend answered "I got a call, personally inviting me." Hmmm, I went with my sister, who happens to be one of his constituents and she didn't get a call. Maybe it's because there is a D on her registration rather than an R?
All I know is that I never want to be in the midst of that many sheeple who will spread their cheeks out of sheer stupidity again. They politely applauded while he didn't answer question after question. God what a weasel he is. He made sure to give about a half dozen shout outs on tort reform, that's always good for Republican sheeple applause. He babbled on for a bit about cash payers being billed more than insurance ever pays. No shit Sherlock. Who created that mess, insurance agencies?
I laughed out loud when he went on about how drug companies spend billions testing and then getting the OK from the FDA to get a drug out on the market. No mention of settlements like this.
He's also really good at droning on until you totally forgot what the question was, you're just happy he quit babbling. It didn't really matter, it seemed most of the people who spoke or asked questions (some obviously rhetorical, it was a wing-nut love fest with no guns, that's illegal here) like everyone had made up their minds before they got there that HR 3200 is positively evil, but nobody knew why. Seriously, nobody could point to anything specific in the bill, they just hated it. Why? They are sheeple. They think what they're told to think and they do what they are told to do.
No mention of a public insurance option.
At all.
I guess Ricky must have been filling the sheeple's heads with noise about a public option being what? Unpatriotic because it might give a few greedy insurers a run for their money? Might crimp the profits of insurers?
I almost felt sorry for one woman who almost pleaded with him to tell her she wasn't a hypocrite for not wanting Obamacare because she already had Tricare and Medicare.
Almost.
I'd make a lousy politician because when she pleaded "Am I a hypocrite?" I said loudly "Yup!" Jesus fuckin Christ lady, you know you're not gonna get the truth at a place where a bunch of sad and sorry rethugs have gathered to have thewe poow widdle bwuised egos salved. Issa weaseled out of the question.
Damn, what kills me is nobody ever mentioned the three trillion dollar war when they talked about a balanced budget. At one point he mentioned $500 a month for health insurance. I wonder if that's his cockamamie bill that offers the health insurance options of Federal employees to everyone, but the government doesn't pay for any of it? I pretty much drove my sister crazy by mumbling not quite loud enough for her to hear me the whole time. I need a shower, I don't like being around people who wear Buck Ofama shirts and mobilize minors to wave signs about a bill that isn't even finished being written.
Fuck it, let's thump these assholes at the next election ALSO.
NC Times says 3,000 people were there, but wait, it says 1500 in the gym and that would make it 1500 outside. I don't know where the fuck they are talking about, but there were NOT 1500 people outside where I was, there were 300 people outside, max.
And here's the fishwrap coverage. One sided as usual.
Update: Wow, I'm glad the drama was in LA and not here. I'm short tempered at times and if "Buck Ofama" lady had punched me in the face, knocked me to the ground, continued to holler at me while pointing her finger in my face, I might have bitten her finger off too.
Update 2 1:00 PM 9/13/2009. I found this article. SONIC WEAPONS USED IN IRAQ POSITIONED AT CONGRESSIONAL TOWNHALL MEETINGS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY
Hmmm. Sure looks like the loudspeaker I saw above the gym at the Issa event.
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Wednesday, September 02, 2009
Court sides with Paris Hilton in Hallmark fight
Tuesday, Sept. 1, 2009
AP
I wonder if she would have been fine with it if she had gotten paid for it?
I mean, is she really known for having good taste? In any of her well known commercial enterprises?
Really?
Have any of her nauseating public projects done anything other than attempt to separate the "classes" more in the US? A supposedly classless society?
AP
I wonder if she would have been fine with it if she had gotten paid for it?
I mean, is she really known for having good taste? In any of her well known commercial enterprises?
Really?
Have any of her nauseating public projects done anything other than attempt to separate the "classes" more in the US? A supposedly classless society?
Tuesday, September 01, 2009
Don't kid yourself ladies and gentlemen,
the Poles have every right to be pissed off at the West AND the East for what happened to their country and peoples during and After WWII.
Stalin, FDR, Churchill, they all fucked Poland.
If you haven't seen the PBS special "WWII behind closed doors," I highly recommend it.
Polish, Russian press welcome Putin gesture
I guess the PR flacks are recommending a newer, softer, cuddlier approach to governance.
Stalin, FDR, Churchill, they all fucked Poland.
If you haven't seen the PBS special "WWII behind closed doors," I highly recommend it.
Polish, Russian press welcome Putin gesture
I guess the PR flacks are recommending a newer, softer, cuddlier approach to governance.
Monday, August 31, 2009
Reading Now
Sunday, August 30, 2009
More coal
India's generation of children crippled by uranium waste
defects in Punjab and pollution from coal-fired power stations
* Gethin Chamberlain, Bathinda
* The Observer, Sunday 30 August 2009
Observer investigation uncovers link between dramatic rise in birth defects in Punjab and pollution from coal-fired power stations.
...But an Observer investigation has now uncovered disturbing evidence to suggest a link between the contamination and the region's coal-fired power stations. It is already known that the fine fly ash produced when coal is burned contains concentrated levels of uranium and a new report published by Russia's leading nuclear research institution warns of an increased radiation hazard to people living near coal-fired thermal power stations....
Let's see how Big Coal tries to spin this one. Max Baucus is a big coal guy. And here is a map of his health care lobbyist complex.
Crap-OLA it's hot again today (98°F)
defects in Punjab and pollution from coal-fired power stations
* Gethin Chamberlain, Bathinda
* The Observer, Sunday 30 August 2009
Observer investigation uncovers link between dramatic rise in birth defects in Punjab and pollution from coal-fired power stations.
...But an Observer investigation has now uncovered disturbing evidence to suggest a link between the contamination and the region's coal-fired power stations. It is already known that the fine fly ash produced when coal is burned contains concentrated levels of uranium and a new report published by Russia's leading nuclear research institution warns of an increased radiation hazard to people living near coal-fired thermal power stations....
Let's see how Big Coal tries to spin this one. Max Baucus is a big coal guy. And here is a map of his health care lobbyist complex.
Crap-OLA it's hot again today (98°F)
Saturday, August 29, 2009
Coal
It's hard to tell from this picture, but the full coal trains running through Nebraska (where this pic was taken) to the link hub in Illinois are miles long. Half of the electric generation in this country is coal fired.
Coal industry caught faking supporters.
03 Jun 2008: Opinion The Myth of Clean Coal
The coal industry and its allies are spending more than $60 million to promote the notion that coal is clean. But so far, “clean coal” is little more than an advertising slogan.
by Richard Conniff
Coal industry caught faking supporters.
Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
03 Jun 2008: Opinion The Myth of Clean Coal
The coal industry and its allies are spending more than $60 million to promote the notion that coal is clean. But so far, “clean coal” is little more than an advertising slogan.
by Richard Conniff
Economic Hit Men and the Next Drowning of New Orleans
Hurricane Bush Four Years Later, Part 2
by Greg Palast
For Crooks and Liars, Thursday, August 27, 2009
Expert Fired Who Warned Levees Would Burst
Hurricane George, Four Years Later
by Greg Palast
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
Frankly, I'm surprised it took the contractor privateers so long to get rid of Ivor Van Heerden. Intelligent acadamecians who actually care about the people that their research may affect are always dangerous if their revelations might adversely affect private profits.
God, I'm so tired of crying. My country is no more or less corrupt than any other place on the planet, it's just less honest about it.
Perkins Coie’s Patrick Collins on the Culture of Corruption
23 Corporate Crime Reporter 32, August 23, 2009
Bill Moyers Journal Money-Driven Medicine
by Greg Palast
For Crooks and Liars, Thursday, August 27, 2009
This week only, our readers can download, free of charge, Greg Palast's film, "Big Easy to Big Empty: The Untold Story of the Drowning of New Orleans." Or donate and get a signed DVD. Watch the 1-minute trailer ...(title link)
Expert Fired Who Warned Levees Would Burst
Hurricane George, Four Years Later
by Greg Palast
Wednesday, August 26, 2009
Frankly, I'm surprised it took the contractor privateers so long to get rid of Ivor Van Heerden. Intelligent acadamecians who actually care about the people that their research may affect are always dangerous if their revelations might adversely affect private profits.
God, I'm so tired of crying. My country is no more or less corrupt than any other place on the planet, it's just less honest about it.
Perkins Coie’s Patrick Collins on the Culture of Corruption
23 Corporate Crime Reporter 32, August 23, 2009
Bill Moyers Journal Money-Driven Medicine
Friday, August 28, 2009
While I was tuned out this week
Two stories should have been highlighted.
As Obama Golfs with UBS CEO Days After Firm Avoids Criminal Prosecution, UBS Whistleblower Given 40-Month Jail Term
“One Nation, Two Economies”–As Obama Nominates Bernanke to Second Term, a Look at Who Benefits from Economic “Recovery”
‘Just 4%’ of Israelis think Obama is pro-Israel
By Agence France-Presse
Published: August 28, 2009
Updated 5 hours ago
Right, we should give a good Goddamned flying fuck about a country of 6 million why?
As Obama Golfs with UBS CEO Days After Firm Avoids Criminal Prosecution, UBS Whistleblower Given 40-Month Jail Term
“One Nation, Two Economies”–As Obama Nominates Bernanke to Second Term, a Look at Who Benefits from Economic “Recovery”
‘Just 4%’ of Israelis think Obama is pro-Israel
By Agence France-Presse
Published: August 28, 2009
Updated 5 hours ago
Right, we should give a good Goddamned flying fuck about a country of 6 million why?
Tuesday, August 25, 2009
I'm not much of a country fan
But I love Jo Dee Messina.
Jo Dee Messina - My give a damn's busted
Jo Dee Messina - Bye Bye
Jo Dee Messina - Stand Beside Me
Jo Dee Messina I'm Alright
Jo Dee Messina - My give a damn's busted
Jo Dee Messina - Bye Bye
Jo Dee Messina - Stand Beside Me
Jo Dee Messina I'm Alright
Sunday, August 23, 2009
I need more
I'm so bored with the liberal political bloggers stating the obvious. Stating what anyone with any common sense knows. Talking to each other about how fucking stupid the bullshit lies on Fox news are. Constantly warding off blows by the Congresswhores and MainsStreamMediawhores. Bitching about Sarah Palin instead of ignoring the stupid ass distraction that she is.
I don't want to get involved with campaigns, that's the same old 'who's the richest sheikh in the neighborhood' shit. I want the system changed. I want the money OUT of politics. I want to see everyday people with a vote that fucking means something. I'm fucking tired of the cash from multi-national corporations and people who's families haven't worked in six fucking generations on mah tee-vee newz trying to blow smoke up my ass by blathering on that this a Democracy and my vote means something. Bullshit, they know god-damned good and well that they can get what they want, no matter what "the little people" want.
What I want is the kind of change I was hoping for when I voted for Obama. Yes, I know what he's up against, I'm not some starry-eyed naive kid.
Here's the thing.
The world is tired of our crap, and I don't fucking blame them. Our shit stinks.
Let me know what you think "our shit" is, I'd like to know what you think it is?
I don't want to get involved with campaigns, that's the same old 'who's the richest sheikh in the neighborhood' shit. I want the system changed. I want the money OUT of politics. I want to see everyday people with a vote that fucking means something. I'm fucking tired of the cash from multi-national corporations and people who's families haven't worked in six fucking generations on mah tee-vee newz trying to blow smoke up my ass by blathering on that this a Democracy and my vote means something. Bullshit, they know god-damned good and well that they can get what they want, no matter what "the little people" want.
What I want is the kind of change I was hoping for when I voted for Obama. Yes, I know what he's up against, I'm not some starry-eyed naive kid.
Here's the thing.
The world is tired of our crap, and I don't fucking blame them. Our shit stinks.
Let me know what you think "our shit" is, I'd like to know what you think it is?
Mexico's finally had enough of the "War on Drugs"
Friday, Aug. 21, 2009
It's killing average Mexicans, not the big guys in the drug cartels.
This week's Boiling Frogs was on the "War on Drugs" and it was awesome. Sibel Edmonds is one smart cookie, and quite brave. I subscribed to the podcast and it's easier to listen to. The streaming was spotty.
Mexico decriminalizes small-scale drug possessionBy MARK STEVENSON Associated Press Writer |
It's killing average Mexicans, not the big guys in the drug cartels.
This week's Boiling Frogs was on the "War on Drugs" and it was awesome. Sibel Edmonds is one smart cookie, and quite brave. I subscribed to the podcast and it's easier to listen to. The streaming was spotty.
Saturday, August 22, 2009
Michael Moore' s new trailer
TRAILER: Michael Moore's 'Capitalism: A Love Story'
Boy do I have a shit eating grin on my face right now :)
Boy do I have a shit eating grin on my face right now :)
Friday, August 21, 2009
Milk market a free market? Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahaha
Independent Farmers Feel Squeezed By Milk Cartel
by John Burnett
The Milkweed
Dairy’s best marketing info and insight
P.O. Box 10, Brooklyn, WI 53521 · (608) 455-2400 © 2002 - 2008 The Milkweed all rights reserved
Here is your Friday rodent
Caught a ground squirrel in a tree, heh.
by John Burnett
The Milkweed
Dairy’s best marketing info and insight
P.O. Box 10, Brooklyn, WI 53521 · (608) 455-2400 © 2002 - 2008 The Milkweed all rights reserved
Here is your Friday rodent
Caught a ground squirrel in a tree, heh.
Health care reform
Betsy McCaughey's Ideas Called "Hyperbolic... Dangerous" By Jon Stewart (VIDEO)
Here's the bill, search to page 432
‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009’’.
Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth
Monday July 27, 2009
About.com UrbanLedgends
Health Care Reform Proponents Review Options for Passing Plan
Friday, August 21, 2009
California Healthline
A daily digest of news, policy and opinion
Money, Meds, and Members of Congress Sunlight Foundation
Healthcare Ripoffs
— By Kevin Drum | Fri August 21, 2009 8:10 AM PST
Mother Jones
Miller-McCune glosses some recent research about the exorbitant rates the uninsured are forced to pay for medical care:
Here's the bill, search to page 432
‘‘America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009’’.
Health Care Bill Page 425 - The Truth
Monday July 27, 2009
About.com UrbanLedgends
Health Care Reform Proponents Review Options for Passing Plan
Friday, August 21, 2009
California Healthline
A daily digest of news, policy and opinion
Money, Meds, and Members of Congress Sunlight Foundation
Healthcare Ripoffs
— By Kevin Drum | Fri August 21, 2009 8:10 AM PST
Mother Jones
Miller-McCune glosses some recent research about the exorbitant rates the uninsured are forced to pay for medical care:
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Drop in world temperatures fuels global warming debate
Oh puhleeeeeeze. That's why it should always be referred to as "Climate Change" rather than "Global Warming." Yeeesh.
This is the man we need to pay attention to. George Lakoff is someone that every progressive should be familiar with.
This is the man we need to pay attention to. George Lakoff is someone that every progressive should be familiar with.
Wednesday, August 19, 2009
Rethinking Afghanistan
Dostum?
Afghan media blackout plunges election day into confusion and fear
• Coverup sees officials dodge questions on Taliban attacks
• Government orders press not to scare voters away from polls
* Jon Boone in Kabul (UK Guardian)
* guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 19 August 2009 18.12 BST
Pipelineistan, hellooooooo?
Cash-Roots, Manufactured Anger, and Hot Air over Health Care
Submitted by Lisa Graves on August 17, 2009 - 10:00pm.
I spoke with a physician last week who told me that over 50% of doctors in this country are pro single payer. Quit asking your doctor for drugs you see advertised on tee-vee and quit asking him for pain meds that you wouldn't need if you got your ass to some NA meetings and got off of them and ask your doctor if they have had enough of not being able to treat patients instead of fucking around with insurance bullshit, including indemnities against ambulance chasers.
Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark
Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2009
DARTMOUTH, Mass. (AP) - Rep. Barney Frank lashed out at protester who held a poster depicting President Barack Obama with a Hitler-style mustache during a heated town hall meeting on federal health care reform.
"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked the woman, who had stepped up to the podium at a southeastern Massachusetts senior center to ask why Frank supports what she called a Nazi policy.
"Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it," Frank replied.
Good for him!!!! Man, I wish he was my rep. *sigh*
I spoke with a physician last week who told me that over 50% of doctors in this country are pro single payer. Quit asking your doctor for drugs you see advertised on tee-vee and quit asking him for pain meds that you wouldn't need if you got your ass to some NA meetings and got off of them and ask your doctor if they have had enough of not being able to treat patients instead of fucking around with insurance bullshit, including indemnities against ambulance chasers.
Rep. Frank lashes out at protester for Nazi remark
Wednesday, Aug. 19, 2009
DARTMOUTH, Mass. (AP) - Rep. Barney Frank lashed out at protester who held a poster depicting President Barack Obama with a Hitler-style mustache during a heated town hall meeting on federal health care reform.
"On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked the woman, who had stepped up to the podium at a southeastern Massachusetts senior center to ask why Frank supports what she called a Nazi policy.
"Ma'am, trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table. I have no interest in doing it," Frank replied.
Good for him!!!! Man, I wish he was my rep. *sigh*
Tuesday, August 18, 2009
Hmmm. The White house has not given up on the public option.
And on to Health Care.
MSM proves again what whores they are. Notice how they keep quoting Republicans. Guess what? Fuck the RepugnanThuglicans, they are not in power, they lost.
Now, the Congresswhores the Health Sector needs to pay are Democrats. Fuck me. Representative Democracy my ASS. Who the fuck are the Congresswhores representing? I'm a Democrat and Max Baucus does not represent me. He represents who pays him, and that includes Big Coal and the Health Sector .
‘Nothing Has Changed’ for Public Option
Posted on Aug 18, 2009
White House / Pete Souza
Press secretary Robert Gibbs called the media’s determination that the president had abandoned the public option “one of the more curious things I’ve ever seen in my life.” Is this a case of spin or spine? Read Gibbs’ entertaining back-and-forth with reporters (full text after the jump) and come to your own conclusion.
MSM proves again what whores they are. Notice how they keep quoting Republicans. Guess what? Fuck the RepugnanThuglicans, they are not in power, they lost.
Now, the Congresswhores the Health Sector needs to pay are Democrats. Fuck me. Representative Democracy my ASS. Who the fuck are the Congresswhores representing? I'm a Democrat and Max Baucus does not represent me. He represents who pays him, and that includes Big Coal and the Health Sector .
Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News, World News, and News about the Economy
‘Nothing Has Changed’ for Public Option
Posted on Aug 18, 2009
White House / Pete Souza
Press secretary Robert Gibbs called the media’s determination that the president had abandoned the public option “one of the more curious things I’ve ever seen in my life.” Is this a case of spin or spine? Read Gibbs’ entertaining back-and-forth with reporters (full text after the jump) and come to your own conclusion.
Appeals Court Asked To Vacate Net Neutrality Ruling
by Wendy Davis, Yesterday, 11:22 PM
Fuck Comcast.
Fuck them hard, right in the ass.
My Congresswhore Bilbray's votes Fuck him too.
Fuck Comcast.
Fuck them hard, right in the ass.
My Congresswhore Bilbray's votes Fuck him too.
Monday, August 17, 2009
The public health insurance plan would harm profits
BusinessWeek: “The Health Insurers Have Already Won”
Dc-health-web
In a cover story for BusinessWeek earlier this month, reporters Chad Terhune and Keith Epstein argue UnitedHealth and other insurers maneuvered to shape healthcare reform for their own benefit.
Greedy fucker's lies win because Americans are stupid enough to believe that advertising is the truth.
And another thing, why should I have to read this?
In Defense of Britain's Health System
By Ara Darzi and Tom Kibasi
Monday, August 17, 2009
Why should the Brits have to defend their system against OUR greedy health sector profiteering LIARS?
update 5:33 PM 8/17/2009
WALL STREET CELEBRATES APPARENT DEATH OF PUBLIC HEALTH OPTION
Health Insurance Companies' Stocks Spike, Buck "Bearish Trend"
New Hack of Sequoia Voting Machine Changes Votes Undetectably
UC San Diego scientists change votes undetectably. Sequoia fails again. Media, Congress yawn...
Sunday, August 16, 2009
The Dollar: How Printing It Made Us Powerful and Set Decline in Motion
By JAMES O. GOLDSBOROUGH
You have got to read the first comment after the article. I was thinking basically the same thing as I read the article.
You have got to read the first comment after the article. I was thinking basically the same thing as I read the article.
The money will win in the health care "debate"
"Debate" my ass. More like a bunch of thugs at those "town hall meetings." Rachel Maddow told you so.
White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
AP
By PHILIP ELLIOTT,
Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer –
8/16/2009
See Obama wave to the for-profit health conglomerates as we all bend over, knowing we aren't getting any lube. Hey love, give 'em a big wet sloppy kiss too eh? We sure ain't getting one.
And the Washington Putz finally lets the cat out of the bag;
Loose Network of Activists Drives Reform Opposition
The anti-reform movement is fueled by upstart, Web-savvy groups and by well-funded organizations such as Americans for Prosperity , whose bus sits outside a town hall forum in Pennsylvania.
By Dan Eggen and Philip Rucker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, August 16, 2009
White House appears ready to drop 'public option'
AP
By PHILIP ELLIOTT,
Associated Press Writer Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer –
8/16/2009
See Obama wave to the for-profit health conglomerates as we all bend over, knowing we aren't getting any lube. Hey love, give 'em a big wet sloppy kiss too eh? We sure ain't getting one.
And the Washington Putz finally lets the cat out of the bag;
Loose Network of Activists Drives Reform Opposition
The anti-reform movement is fueled by upstart, Web-savvy groups and by well-funded organizations such as Americans for Prosperity , whose bus sits outside a town hall forum in Pennsylvania.
By Dan Eggen and Philip Rucker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, August 16, 2009
Saturday, August 15, 2009
How long does California have to suffer because of these idiots?
Legalizing Marijuana in California: Why It Won't Lessen the State's Tax Woes
http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/amar/20090814.html
By VIKRAM DAVID AMAR
Friday, August 14, 2009
Among the many creative ideas to redress California's budgetary plight are proposals (including at least one that is currently pending in the legislature) to legalize, and then regulate and tax, recreational marijuana use. In this column, I explain that whether or not legalizing marijuana is a decent idea (a topic on which I don't know enough to express a view), legalization wouldn't generate any significant state tax receipts for the foreseeable future.
According to the California State Board of Equalization, legalizing and taxing marijuana transactions -- an idea backed (according to a Field poll in April) by 56 percent of Californians -- could generate $1.4 billion of annual state revenue. That is a non-trivial amount, even in a large state like California, where yearly general fund revenue expenditures are in the ballpark of $100 billion. The Board's estimates presumably rely on some empirical data about the overall amount of (currently illegal) marijuana sales and marijuana use in the state, and on some guesses about the number of people who would report and pay taxes on their marijuana activities if those activities were no longer criminal under California law.
But it is at this second step – which concerns the likely extent of reporting and detection of the production, sales, or use of marijuana in California -- where the public discussion (including discussion by gubernatorial candidates) thus far has been very incomplete.
Federal Law: The Missing Link In The Tax Reporting Chain
The piece that has largely been missing from the policy debate over legalizing and taxing marijuana at the state level is federal law. All marijuana production, distribution, sales and consumption remains illegal under federal law, and that won't change anytime soon. A majority of the U.S. Supreme Court in Gonzales v. Raich made clear, less than a decade ago, that Congress enjoys the constitutional power to criminalize all marijuana cultivation, possession and use. Congress can even regulate and prohibit the growing and consumption of small amounts of marijuana at home for ostensible medicinal purposes. What Raich means is that if marijuana activity is to be decriminalized at the federal level, such a change will have to come from Congress, not the courts.
And in Congress, the prospects for decriminalization seem dim. Even if a majority of Americans (or close to it) were to mirror Californians' attitudes and favor decriminalization of the use of small amounts of marijuana for recreational purposes (and I don't know if polls really show that they would), it is improbable that Congress would act to change existing law. One important reason is the makeup of the Senate. All federal laws (including those that repeal or amend laws already on the books) must obtain the support of a majority of Senators as well as House members, and it seems likely that pro-legalization sentiment is and will remain weak in a large number of (admittedly smaller) socially conservative states. Thus, getting a majority of Senators, even if there were a majority of House members and Americans more generally, on board for marijuana decriminalization legislation would appear to be a tough task.
And as long as the specter of federal criminal sanctions remains, the reporting (and thus the taxation) of marijuana activity will likely be low in those states that decriminalize marijuana under state law. Even if a marijuana seller or user complies with state law, unless and until he could be confident that his sale or use would not land him in federal prison, he is heavily deterred from reporting and paying state taxes on that sale or use.
None of this means that the federal government can force states to keep marijuana illegal. Indeed, states can decriminalize marijuana, under state law, if they so choose; they simply cannot obstruct or interfere with federal efforts to enforce federal laws that Congress enjoys the power to pass, even if federal enforcement frustrates state policy or taxation objectives.
Federal Enforcement Resources and Attitudes
Of course, the deterrent effect created by federal law depends not just on what Congress has done, but also on what the federal executive branch does by way of criminal enforcement. And, as Professor Rob Mikos and others have pointed out, federal law enforcement resources are limited in this respect, so that some people may be willing to report and pay state taxes on some activities that are illegal under federal law simply to avoid state tax liability and related penalties. But relying on an absence of federal enforcement resources is obviously a dangerous game to play, when the stakes include a possible trip to the federal penitentiary.
Some decriminalization advocates might point to the fact that in the dozen or so states that have decriminalized medicinal marijuana (as opposed to recreational marijuana), many dispensaries have been open and overt about their activities (so as to comply with state law), even though such openness risked federal investigation and prosecution. But the federal government's attitude about state decriminalization of medicinal marijuana has been ambivalent, and the federal government has at various times sent mixed messages about how vigorously it would try to crack down on state-approved dispensaries. Recently, the Obama administration has signaled, albeit not always clearly, that such state-approved dispensaries will not be a high enforcement priority at the federal level. This move seems designed to encourage those involved with medicinal marijuana to go about their state-approved business without too much fear.
Importantly, there is no indication that the Administration's attitude about non-medicinal -- that is, recreational -- marijuana use would be at all similar. And politically, a public statement of non-enforcement by the Administration with respect to non-medicinal use would seem very costly.
A rejoinder might be that not long ago it might also have seemed politically unlikely that the feds would refrain from targeting medicinal dispensaries – and yet that has come to pass. That brings us to a big point about the relationship between state and federal law in this and other areas: Often, state laws have short-term effects that are more political than tangible, but state-level political messages can then set the stage for more practical long-term legal change at the federal level. As Professor Mikos has observed, if states decriminalize recreational use, then marijuana "may seem more beneficial and less dangerous or wicked simply [by virtue of the fact that] it's now permitted by state law." That dynamic is essentially what happened in the area of medicinal marijuana use, where a dozen or so states (along with last year's election results) have helped shape federal enforcement attitudes, and helped generate the current seemingly hands-off federal attitude.
There is some truth to all this, and for these important reasons, the question of state decriminalization is a worthy issue for California and other states to discuss and consider. But legalization will not provide even a partial answer to state budget problems any time soon, and thus it should not really be discussed or sold as a fiscal cure.
Vikram David Amar, a FindLaw columnist, is the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law at the University of California, Davis School of Law. He is a 1988 graduate of the Yale Law School, and a former clerk to Justice Harry Blackmun. He is a co-author, along with William Cohen and Jonathan Varat, of a major constitutional law casebook, and a co-author of several volumes of the Wright & Miller treatise on federal practice and procedure. Before teaching, Professor Amar spent a few years at the firm of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
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By VIKRAM DAVID AMAR
Friday, August 14, 2009
Among the many creative ideas to redress California's budgetary plight are proposals (including at least one that is currently pending in the legislature) to legalize, and then regulate and tax, recreational marijuana use. In this column, I explain that whether or not legalizing marijuana is a decent idea (a topic on which I don't know enough to express a view), legalization wouldn't generate any significant state tax receipts for the foreseeable future.
According to the California State Board of Equalization, legalizing and taxing marijuana transactions -- an idea backed (according to a Field poll in April) by 56 percent of Californians -- could generate $1.4 billion of annual state revenue. That is a non-trivial amount, even in a large state like California, where yearly general fund revenue expenditures are in the ballpark of $100 billion. The Board's estimates presumably rely on some empirical data about the overall amount of (currently illegal) marijuana sales and marijuana use in the state, and on some guesses about the number of people who would report and pay taxes on their marijuana activities if those activities were no longer criminal under California law.
But it is at this second step – which concerns the likely extent of reporting and detection of the production, sales, or use of marijuana in California -- where the public discussion (including discussion by gubernatorial candidates) thus far has been very incomplete.
Federal Law: The Missing Link In The Tax Reporting Chain
The piece that has largely been missing from the policy debate over legalizing and taxing marijuana at the state level is federal law. All marijuana production, distribution, sales and consumption remains illegal under federal law, and that won't change anytime soon. A majority of the U.S. Supreme Court in Gonzales v. Raich made clear, less than a decade ago, that Congress enjoys the constitutional power to criminalize all marijuana cultivation, possession and use. Congress can even regulate and prohibit the growing and consumption of small amounts of marijuana at home for ostensible medicinal purposes. What Raich means is that if marijuana activity is to be decriminalized at the federal level, such a change will have to come from Congress, not the courts.
And in Congress, the prospects for decriminalization seem dim. Even if a majority of Americans (or close to it) were to mirror Californians' attitudes and favor decriminalization of the use of small amounts of marijuana for recreational purposes (and I don't know if polls really show that they would), it is improbable that Congress would act to change existing law. One important reason is the makeup of the Senate. All federal laws (including those that repeal or amend laws already on the books) must obtain the support of a majority of Senators as well as House members, and it seems likely that pro-legalization sentiment is and will remain weak in a large number of (admittedly smaller) socially conservative states. Thus, getting a majority of Senators, even if there were a majority of House members and Americans more generally, on board for marijuana decriminalization legislation would appear to be a tough task.
And as long as the specter of federal criminal sanctions remains, the reporting (and thus the taxation) of marijuana activity will likely be low in those states that decriminalize marijuana under state law. Even if a marijuana seller or user complies with state law, unless and until he could be confident that his sale or use would not land him in federal prison, he is heavily deterred from reporting and paying state taxes on that sale or use.
None of this means that the federal government can force states to keep marijuana illegal. Indeed, states can decriminalize marijuana, under state law, if they so choose; they simply cannot obstruct or interfere with federal efforts to enforce federal laws that Congress enjoys the power to pass, even if federal enforcement frustrates state policy or taxation objectives.
Federal Enforcement Resources and Attitudes
Of course, the deterrent effect created by federal law depends not just on what Congress has done, but also on what the federal executive branch does by way of criminal enforcement. And, as Professor Rob Mikos and others have pointed out, federal law enforcement resources are limited in this respect, so that some people may be willing to report and pay state taxes on some activities that are illegal under federal law simply to avoid state tax liability and related penalties. But relying on an absence of federal enforcement resources is obviously a dangerous game to play, when the stakes include a possible trip to the federal penitentiary.
Some decriminalization advocates might point to the fact that in the dozen or so states that have decriminalized medicinal marijuana (as opposed to recreational marijuana), many dispensaries have been open and overt about their activities (so as to comply with state law), even though such openness risked federal investigation and prosecution. But the federal government's attitude about state decriminalization of medicinal marijuana has been ambivalent, and the federal government has at various times sent mixed messages about how vigorously it would try to crack down on state-approved dispensaries. Recently, the Obama administration has signaled, albeit not always clearly, that such state-approved dispensaries will not be a high enforcement priority at the federal level. This move seems designed to encourage those involved with medicinal marijuana to go about their state-approved business without too much fear.
Importantly, there is no indication that the Administration's attitude about non-medicinal -- that is, recreational -- marijuana use would be at all similar. And politically, a public statement of non-enforcement by the Administration with respect to non-medicinal use would seem very costly.
A rejoinder might be that not long ago it might also have seemed politically unlikely that the feds would refrain from targeting medicinal dispensaries – and yet that has come to pass. That brings us to a big point about the relationship between state and federal law in this and other areas: Often, state laws have short-term effects that are more political than tangible, but state-level political messages can then set the stage for more practical long-term legal change at the federal level. As Professor Mikos has observed, if states decriminalize recreational use, then marijuana "may seem more beneficial and less dangerous or wicked simply [by virtue of the fact that] it's now permitted by state law." That dynamic is essentially what happened in the area of medicinal marijuana use, where a dozen or so states (along with last year's election results) have helped shape federal enforcement attitudes, and helped generate the current seemingly hands-off federal attitude.
There is some truth to all this, and for these important reasons, the question of state decriminalization is a worthy issue for California and other states to discuss and consider. But legalization will not provide even a partial answer to state budget problems any time soon, and thus it should not really be discussed or sold as a fiscal cure.
Vikram David Amar, a FindLaw columnist, is the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law at the University of California, Davis School of Law. He is a 1988 graduate of the Yale Law School, and a former clerk to Justice Harry Blackmun. He is a co-author, along with William Cohen and Jonathan Varat, of a major constitutional law casebook, and a co-author of several volumes of the Wright & Miller treatise on federal practice and procedure. Before teaching, Professor Amar spent a few years at the firm of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
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Friday, August 14, 2009
I have actually been busy
And I have been enjoying it. I am so proud of my friend Anna. She has always been an artist but believe me, her work did improve during the 17 years that we did not see each other. I was thrilled to learn that she was able to go to art school. I always loved the artist, the person, the beautiful spirit that is Anna, but I have grown to love her work and the peace that it brings more than I expected to. Her work will be displayed in the above gallery until after the Camarillo Art & Jazz Festival even though the gallery invitation does not say so. More of Anna's work can be seen here
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I don't think anyone is connecting these things except for me, in my mind, but the profit motive wins every time in this country.
Did anybody read this post? Zippo in the comments? Dang it, I worked hard on this one and slogged through that 715 page book! Yes, I'm whining. And pouting. I'm hooman, K?
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