A fraud? No. The study only looked at nutritional aspects of organics and found what dozens of other studies have found: that organic produce has no more nutritional value than non-organic produce. The study did not attempt to answer the question of whether there are non-nutritional reasons to eat organic, such as whether the exposure to pesticide residues for non-organic produce has health effects that don't apply to organic produce.
That kind of long-term study is hard to do for a number of reasons -- for example, how do you randomly assign people to the organic and non-organic groups, which basically requires telling them what they can eat (and not eat) and most people simply won't comply? As a result there are no good longitudinal studies that have any scientific validity showing that organic produce has long-term health benefits. This doesn't mean anything insofar as whether it *does* have long-term health benefits, just that nobody has figured out a way to create a valid double-blind scientific study to *prove* it.
So you're reading more into this study than it says -- as is the factory farming industry, for that matter. All it says is what we've known for years now -- that organic produce has no more nutrition than non-organic produce. But nutrition is *not* the main reason people eat organic produce...
(And no, I didn't read the actual study *today*, I read it a week or so ago when the PR drums started saying that it "proved" that organics were a waste of money -- when it proves nothing of the sort).
LOL. Mmmm... I don't care really if food is organic or volcanic or whatever; In France , we have with Japan the longest longevity of life in the world, so even though that we have strange foods (that's what some othe people think, not me), people manage to live long lives.
So the food can't be deadly. And yet, we have nearly no "organic" food anywhere. There are some muslim places and shops in France where they kill the sheep or cows or pigeons or fuck knows what in a very Arab way, but somehow it doesn't make muslims in france live longer, LOL. I can't remember exactly how they call this fashion of killing animals, I think something like "KASHI", they have the cow alive and they put a knive on their throats, and they slit it, and blood spurts out every where, so the cow is in agony of pain for nearly one minute while she looses her blood everywhere, and it makes the muslims murderers very happy and then they eat the cow. BEURKKK!!!
Those muslims are worse than jews murderers.
But anyway, I asy again, does it make the French Arabs more intelligent or live longer? I don't think so because if it did it would be reported on "Le Monde" newspaper and on TV on France 2 and France 3 and France 5 and Arte, and it is not. And all these channels are completely independant of the government, and also ARTE is French and German coproduction. So you cannot find anything more non biased in the world on TV.
Anyway, I don't care really, I work a waitress in a restaurant, I eat often the left overs that the clients leave, and it is definitely not organic food, LOL, but I am just as healthy as before, LOL! I especially like when they leave bits of giant crabs and lobsters!!!! YAM YAM!!! No organic crabs and lobsters in Europe,!!! LOL!!!
For meeee, I don't care if the cow was strangled or hit on the head with a 10-tonne truck or fired with a nuclear bomb, if the meat is eatable, then I eat it, LOL. I'm not vegetarian, and I think it is normal because humans are not designed to be vegeterians, they are designed to be "omnivores" (sorry, FR word, I don't know how it is in EN, but it means that humans are designed to eat everything, vegetables and meat also.
But when I say I don't know how the cow was killed, it is not exactly true: what I mean is that I don't know in what way the cow was killed as long as the cow didn't suffer. I love cows, I love all animals, except the born-again Christians, LOL.
Nunya, have you seen that Luna has come back??? I really like Luna. In fact, I really like all the Americans that I have seen on PP, except the fascist born-again bitches Jeanette and Barb. Jeanette especially
Ok, I am sorry that I bothered you maybe, but I was in one of my moods of going around all the blogs that I know.
I think that you would like Luna, I have not any idea of what political influence she has, but she is very outspoken and I I like that espcially because I like what she says, LOL.
Nunya, the issue is the scientific validity of the paper, not the political leanings of the school or authors or the funders of the paper or the PR spin being spun around the paper. Science doesn't care about that, it cares about whether the findings can be replicated by anybody who cares to re-try the experiment. In this case, yes, the findings can be replicated -- and have been, by at least a dozen different research papers over the past two decades.
What the people who funded the study trumpet about those findings, on the other hand, does not have anything to do with what the study actually says. Funny how that works, eh? :).
no, I haven't read the whole study, but here's the end of an abstract: "Conclusion: The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods. Consumption of organic foods may reduce exposure to pesticide residues and antibiotic-resistant bacteria." http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1355685
And, I personally know two people with Parkinson's who have had high levels of exposure to pesticides Pesticide levels in blood linked to Parkinson's disease, researchers find http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/news-releases/year-2009/pesticide-levels-in-blood-linked-to-parkinsons-disease-researchers-find.html
A fraud? No. The study only looked at nutritional aspects of organics and found what dozens of other studies have found: that organic produce has no more nutritional value than non-organic produce. The study did not attempt to answer the question of whether there are non-nutritional reasons to eat organic, such as whether the exposure to pesticide residues for non-organic produce has health effects that don't apply to organic produce.
ReplyDeleteThat kind of long-term study is hard to do for a number of reasons -- for example, how do you randomly assign people to the organic and non-organic groups, which basically requires telling them what they can eat (and not eat) and most people simply won't comply? As a result there are no good longitudinal studies that have any scientific validity showing that organic produce has long-term health benefits. This doesn't mean anything insofar as whether it *does* have long-term health benefits, just that nobody has figured out a way to create a valid double-blind scientific study to *prove* it.
So you're reading more into this study than it says -- as is the factory farming industry, for that matter. All it says is what we've known for years now -- that organic produce has no more nutrition than non-organic produce. But nutrition is *not* the main reason people eat organic produce...
BadTux, did you even read the article or the links?
ReplyDeleteI read the actual study. Articles are bullshit, written either by scientific ignoramuses or by people with an axe to grind.
ReplyDelete- Badtux the "Use the Source, Luke" Penguin
(And no, I didn't read the actual study *today*, I read it a week or so ago when the PR drums started saying that it "proved" that organics were a waste of money -- when it proves nothing of the sort).
ReplyDeleteLOL. Mmmm... I don't care really if food is organic or volcanic or whatever; In France , we have with Japan the longest longevity of life in the world, so even though that we have strange foods (that's what some othe people think, not me), people manage to live long lives.
ReplyDeleteSo the food can't be deadly. And yet, we have nearly no "organic" food anywhere. There are some muslim places and shops in France where they kill the sheep or cows or pigeons or fuck knows what in a very Arab way, but somehow it doesn't make muslims in france live longer, LOL. I can't remember exactly how they call this fashion of killing animals, I think something like "KASHI", they have the cow alive and they put a knive on their throats, and they slit it, and blood spurts out every where, so the cow is in agony of pain for nearly one minute while she looses her blood everywhere, and it makes the muslims murderers very happy and then they eat the cow. BEURKKK!!!
Those muslims are worse than jews murderers.
But anyway, I asy again, does it make the French Arabs more intelligent or live longer? I don't think so because if it did it would be reported on "Le Monde" newspaper and on TV on France 2 and France 3 and France 5 and Arte, and it is not. And all these channels are completely independant of the government, and also ARTE is French and German coproduction. So you cannot find anything more non biased in the world on TV.
Anyway, I don't care really, I work a waitress in a restaurant, I eat often the left overs that the clients leave, and it is definitely not organic food, LOL, but I am just as healthy as before, LOL! I especially like when they leave bits of giant crabs and lobsters!!!! YAM YAM!!! No organic crabs and lobsters in Europe,!!! LOL!!!
For meeee, I don't care if the cow was strangled or hit on the head with a 10-tonne truck or fired with a nuclear bomb, if the meat is eatable, then I eat it, LOL. I'm not vegetarian, and I think it is normal because humans are not designed to be vegeterians, they are designed to be "omnivores" (sorry, FR word, I don't know how it is in EN, but it means that humans are designed to eat everything, vegetables and meat also.
But when I say I don't know how the cow was killed, it is not exactly true: what I mean is that I don't know in what way the cow was killed as long as the cow didn't suffer. I love cows, I love all animals, except the born-again Christians, LOL.
Nunya, have you seen that Luna has come back??? I really like Luna. In fact, I really like all the Americans that I have seen on PP, except the fascist born-again bitches Jeanette and Barb. Jeanette especially
Ok, I am sorry that I bothered you maybe, but I was in one of my moods of going around all the blogs that I know.
I think that you would like Luna, I have not any idea of what political influence she has, but she is very outspoken and I I like that espcially because I like what she says, LOL.
Valerie,
ReplyDeleteI noticed that she was back :) I am having trouble logging in to PP.
BadTux,
articles are manipulative and that includes the BBC article that blazes "organic food not any healthier"
And BadTux,
ReplyDeleteStanford is a very conservative school
Nunya, the issue is the scientific validity of the paper, not the political leanings of the school or authors or the funders of the paper or the PR spin being spun around the paper. Science doesn't care about that, it cares about whether the findings can be replicated by anybody who cares to re-try the experiment. In this case, yes, the findings can be replicated -- and have been, by at least a dozen different research papers over the past two decades.
ReplyDeleteWhat the people who funded the study trumpet about those findings, on the other hand, does not have anything to do with what the study actually says. Funny how that works, eh? :).
no, I haven't read the whole study, but here's the end of an abstract:
ReplyDelete"Conclusion: The published literature lacks strong evidence that organic foods are significantly more nutritious than conventional foods. Consumption of organic foods may reduce exposure to pesticide residues and antibiotic-resistant bacteria."
http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1355685
And, I personally know two people with Parkinson's who have had high levels of exposure to pesticides
Pesticide levels in blood linked to Parkinson's disease, researchers find
http://www.utsouthwestern.edu/newsroom/news-releases/year-2009/pesticide-levels-in-blood-linked-to-parkinsons-disease-researchers-find.html
Yah, interesting how that has *nothing* to do with what's being trumped about the study by its funders, eh? :).
ReplyDeleteBadTux,
ReplyDeleteYes, Big Ag has great PR, eh?